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American Horror Story Apocalypse Ep 7 “Traitor”

This week, Cordelia and company started strategizing on how to take out Michael and his warlock supporters.  Cordelia reached out to Papa Legba for help, but she just got mocked by Nan, which was fantastic.  In the end, Ariel, Baldwin, and Mead ended up in the right place, but the wrong time.  If you’re new to the blog, my name is Kent and I ask the questions and get some unique answers.  Any comments in bold are from me unless otherwise stated.  Please enjoy!

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  1.  Give me your thoughts on Cordelia’s encounter with Papa Legba.  Should she have made the deal? Could Papa have actually had the power to stop Michael?  Also, Nan returned, you got plenty to talk about.

 

Kristi:  I think she made the right choice. Giving up one of her own would have been shitty. I think Papa could have stopped him but we would have no season if that happened, sooo…  (They could have given us 3 episodes of flashbacks in some fashion.  I wouldn’t even be upset by that and I bitch about everything.)

Raylene: I don’t think she would have ever made any deal that involved anyone other than her. She definitely didn’t want to be like Fiona which would have if she took his deal. I am happy to see Nan hoping it’s not a cameo  (Yeah, she didn’t want to be like Fiona and I think that played a big role in the decision.  Nan was like this big reminder of what not to be.)

Cece:  I don’t think she was wrong with not wanting to take the deal. She needs all the power she can get to defeat Michael. Papa is probably very powerful, but what if it didn’t work out with just his help? Also, NAN!! I was so happy seeing her!  (Yay for Nan, indeed!)

Melanie:  She could have made a deal, but her guilt about losing them the first time was eating at her soul.  I don’t think Papa has the power to stop Michael. I am worried no one does, besides Coco (just kidding…she is terrible).  YAAASSSS NAN! I am so happy to see her and see her be bad. Go on with your bad self!!! (You don’t think Papa had the power.  That is like the big thing for me. I really wish I knew his power in full capacity.)

Tom:  I think she had to make the decision she did.  To sacrifice her girls would have been a break from her character. I don’t think Papa Legba can stop Michael on his own, as he said he’s more of a gatekeeper.  He could only give them the opportunity to trap Michael. (An opportunity is better than no opportunity though.  You and I know that somehow these girls are going to make a 1980’s Hulk Hogan comeback, but for practicality purposes, opportunities are good.)

Kayleigh:  I don’t think they could have possibly made her character make that decision. She is too much of a “good” character. I think Papa could have stopped him, but then there would have been no more story. And I liked that Nan was an evil little bitch.  (Evil Nan is best Nan!)

Kelly:  She could have made the deal and handed over Madison… Just kidding. I think Papa could at least play a huge part in helping stop him if not all by himself. Nan was a prediction of mine that I didn’t fully commit to so it didn’t take me 100% by surprise that she was one of the traitors. (I consider there to be two, Nan and John Henry.)  (Part of me wonders if you were kidding based on previous conversations.)

Kent:  I think that Cordelia should have continued trying to negotiate.  Obviously, we have the benefit of hindsight. I have to consider a few things.  Michael’s powers are incredible. We have seen him take out ghosts and how he brought Queenie, Maidson, and Misty back.  If anybody can serve as a deterrent, it appears that Papa could prove to the man for the job. I get not wanting to sacrifice the girls.  Still, right now I would speculate that Michael could wipe each witch out one by one and then make their spirits vanish entirely. With that knowledge, if Cordelia feared worst-case scenario, then this actually was a small price to pay compared to the apocalypse.  Nobody really is happy with this, aside from Papa, but still better than some alternatives.

 

  1.  John Henry is back, it’s okay if you got this one wrong.  How does he help in this war against Langdon moving forward?

 

Kristi:  Definitely. I was bummed when the episode ended. I need more. I see good things happening. (This made me want more, which is good.)

Raylene: I think he will sacrifice himself to save one of the witches   (Ohhh, will we hear Creed talk about My Sacrifice?)

Cece:  I KNEW he was getting brought back! He will be another soldier in the fight against Michael. (Yes, another soldier.  I really wish we knew more about his powers.  I need a book on this shit. Come on Ryan Murphy, write a book so I have info to critique your show.)

Melanie:  I don’t think it does, but I think the witches just wanted to lessen the warlock power load.  (I get that, I just feel that Michael can simply resurrect allies at will, in theory.)

Tom:  Well I don’t think he’s all that powerful compared to the witches, but he is a hidden pawn that Michael doesn’t know about.  He’ll probably help in some crucial moment. (Tom, obviously a man is nowhere close to being as powerful as a strong independent witch.  Have you learned nothing?)

Kayleigh:  Even if he doesn’t bring much to the table, I’m just glad he burnt Ariel and Baldwin alive. Really enjoyed that scene.  (It brought back fond memories.)

Kelly:  He’ll help fight, I assume. I’m not sure what his powers consist of but they’ll likely help!  (Maybe he’s a healer.  Every good group needs a medic or multiple ones.  Or a human shield.)

Kent:  He has good intuition.  He seems to have a smart sense of situations and how to read people.  That means that he should be a good strategist if nothing else. I’m not sure if his powers will be of any use in the war.  I can’t be the only person that was hoping to hear Right Place Wrong Time….was I? Shit, I probably was.

 

  1.  How does burning Ariel and Baldwin help the witch’s cause?

 

Kristi:  Well, seeing as they wanted to kill all the witches,  It helped them by saving them, for the moment anyway. (I feel like a broken record, but I wish I knew the extent of Ariel and Baldwin’s powers.)

Raylene: It seems like that is the cost of betrayal I think it cemented John Henry and any other warlock loyalty.  (I am curious if this causes any trickle down allegiance from other warlocks.)

Cece:  They have fewer people who can stand in Michael’s corner, I guess. Although, I’m sure he has the power to bring them back…? (Okay, see, I don’t read these responses until it’s time to respond.  That is what my whole thing is. Michael has the power to bring them back, so it’s a point I keep going back to.)

Melanie:  Less Warlocks to stand with Michael?  Michael doesn’t need a man though. He is a strong independent wit—I mean warlock.  (Once again, proof that I don’t read these things before I start my responses.  That’s funny that we went for the same joke only in different questions.)

Tom:   Well they were obviously allies Michael was using, so at the very least Michael will have to look for new allies.  (In theory, shouldn’t he have an army of Satan worshippers ready to sacrifice themselves for him?)

Kayleigh:  They are definitely trying to make Michael feel alone. Just a part of their strategy.  (That loneliness theory, I think you are onto something with that.  I feel that is part of the underlying story from the Murder House episode.  We were so focused on all the cool shit, but I think it’s a subtle thing that may come into play.)

Kelly:  They were on Michael’s side and could have assisted in his takeover. Michael could potentially have mesmerized them into helping him in this battle we all still think is going to happen soon.  (Man, the word mesmerized never gets used in these blogs.  Good choice!)

Kent:  I’m not sure.  Yeah, I guess you could say that it’s a psychological tactic, but I don’t think it meant anything to Michael.  Furthermore, I can safely assume that if either guy held much value, he would just resurrect them. This is the problem with dealing with the Superman type characters.  They are too powerful, and you can make an argument that they can do just about anything. At least if you burned Batman and Wonder Woman at the stake, it would certainly rattle Superman.  I don’t know how you rattle Michael unless it has something to do with Mead.

 

  1.  Clearly, Coco’s power is going to be significant by the end of the season, as is Mallory’s.  Since most of you don’t like Coco, what do you think will be her final power?

 

Kristi:  I really don’t know where this is going. Clearly, her powers are getting stronger but I’m not sure where it will go from there. (At least you didn’t wish her to die, so that is positive.)

Raylene: I’ll go outlandish and say her power will be just like Magneto.  (I’m cool with that if she has his accent, and Charles Montgomery returns.  That’s obviously important.)

Cece:  I am not sure, honestly. It may be that she can decipher where things are, like helpful tools in the fight.  (I brought up that idea in the past.  Like possibly a weakness detection ability.  Obviously, something like that would be helpful or else it wouldn’t be in video games so often.)

Melanie:  I think she will die to let someone else live.  She is terrible, but being a gluten free person I can see how that would be helpful…to me. (I haven’t done this in a while.  Boooo! I reject your idea of Coco dying.  When it happens, make sure to mock me.)

Tom:  I don’t know but it does seem like they’re spending a lot of time on Coco’s shitty powers.  If Coco ends up being the next supreme I’m done with AHS. (Your response conflicts me.  I’d hate to lose you from the group……but I mean, if Coco becomes the next Supreme, I will be in full ecstasy.  It’d be like having hookers, blow, and Slim Jims. So, my apologies, I’ll miss you.)

Kayleigh:  I’m not sure what her final power will be. However, I am predicting that they will kill her off at some point. (Well, now that I have shaken the rust off…BOOOOOOOOO!  No death to Coco. I think the more I say this the more happy people will be when she gets got.)

Kelly:   I couldn’t even begin to predict that, ha! I have no idea where they’re going with her but I look forward to everyone’s answers on this one! Mayyyyybe she’ll figure out his form of nutrition and interfere with it? I can’t even take that theory seriously, ha!  (That is interesting.  Maybe she can figure out like a food allergy that Michael has.  How many EpiPens remain in the Apocalypse?)

Kent:  Can Coco be the second coming of Christ?  I want her to just be the most amazing character.  This would be a fun start. But in all seriousness, I want her to have a Rogue type ability to be able to touch a person and soak up their power.  As bodies are falling in the battle, she just goes around groping bitc….I mean witches.

 

  1.  In your opinion, who was the traitor in this episode?  Also, bonus points to anybody who knows what the Joan Collins film parody was from. The Santa film.  There are 2 right answers. Please don’t look it up and then answer this

 

Kristi: I’m going with the warlocks. Befriending the witches just to try to kill them all isn’t a very nice thing. The witches didn’t have a choice but to listen in on them, as they knew they were in danger. (I was just happy that they gave Joan another role.)

Raylene: First I was like the warlocks were because they betrayed their own but now thinking of it, the witches were the traitors since they used Joan to hear what was in their souls. The parody was from a Tales of the Crypt film.  (You’re just lucky that I have shown you many great movies and TV shows.)

Cece:  From what I heard, it’s straight out of Tales From The Crypt! And the traitor… hmm. Not sure, honestly.  (I was hoping that you were going to say Straight Outta Compton.  I feel a little letdown.)

Melanie:  The traitor was a good thing that worked in the witches favor, Behold Chablis was the warlock for the job.  Also, no clue about the Joan Collins film. (I like the idea of it being Behold.  I will say that I think that is the beauty of this.  It’s so open for interpretation and was most likely referring to multiple traitors.)

Tom:  I was actually already pondering who the traitor ended up being.  The only time I remember a traitor being discussed was when the witches found out a woman had killed John Henry,  but she was never a friend so she can’t be a traitor. I guess Ariel and Baldwin… (Good point about the only time the traitor was brought up, in reference to one of the few characters that couldn’t be considered a traitor.  That’s pretty funny.)

Kayleigh:  Maybe they thought they had a traitor at the beginning of the episode, but once they brought John Henry back and learned it was Kathy Bates they had to kill her. Plus Ariel and Baldwin.  (I don’t think that Ariel or Baldwin should be considered traitors.  They are sick of always being talked down by the witches and now they have a winner.  Who exactly did they betray, and was it warranted? I get where you are coming from, but that was my logic.)

Kelly:  As I stated above, Nan is the obvious answer and John Henry because he betrays his “coven.”  (I have nothing snarky to say.  I agree with you.)

Kent:  I love the fact that there is no real consensus on who the traitor is.  I was worried that it was clear cut and I just missed it. I think you can go with Ariel & Baldwin, Behold, John Henry, Nan, and possibly Cordelia in the sense that she refused to be a traitor.  I like the idea of it being Nan. That scene was awesome, and I liked her attitude. John Henry is probably the answer, but Nan is my choice. To answer the question, the parody was of the 1972 British horror anthology film called Tales From The Crypt, which featured this story starring Joan Collins.  But wait…there’s more! The second ever episode of the Tales From The Crypt TV show, back in 1989, was titled “And All Through the House” which was a slightly longer version of the story.

Final Thoughts – 3 more episodes remain.  I will ask 3 questions and they are sheer speculation so we can look back and see just how clueless we all were.  Some of you will skip these questions, but try to have fun. 1. How many more episodes until we see the initial showdown between Michael and the witches?  2. Who will get the final “blow” on Michael to end this? 3. By the end of the season, how many characters will Evan Peters have played?

 

Kristi:  1. I’m thinking this next episode will be informative and the last two will be showdown time. 2. I’m voting for Mallory. 3. 3 characters.

Raylene: I say 1 more episode until the showdown, I say Queenie just to be completely random, He plays 9 characters  (Queenie would be awesome, I would enjoy that.)

Cece:  1. Probably the second to last and the last. 2. Mallory 3. 4 characters.  (4 is the odds-on favorite, in my opinion.)

Melanie:  1. It will be the second to last and leave us with unanswered questions in the last episode.  2. I think it will be Mallory. 3. At least 7. (If it ends up being 7, I will take 7 shots during our podcast, and become utterly useless, but that seems fair.)

Tom:  Well I think we need at least another episode to wrap up what happened before the fallout.  I guess the second to last episode. I wouldn’t mind if Brock finished off Langdon with another knife to the forehead. I’ll guess 8 characters for Peters, one for each season.  (I love the idea of it being Brock.  So I think it should be Coco and Brock teaming together at the end.  It would be kinda cool. If it ends up being 8, I am not drinking 8 shots during the podcast.)

Kayleigh:  I have to think the last two episodes will be the showdown. I think whoever will be the next supreme is going to take down Langdon. And finally, I think Evan Peters will have played a total of 4 characters this season.  (So you think Coco will take down Langdon.  I knew you’d come to my side eventually.)

Kelly:  1. Episode 9 might have the battle. Maybe it starts the battle then something significant happens and leaves us on a cliffhanger and it finishes early in episode 10, with the remainder of the episode to tie loose ends. 2. The specific final blow… Some might speculate Mallory. Cordelia might and follow with her death from the amount of exertion. Or maybe even badass Myrtle! At this point, I can’t tell ya a specific character who’ll do it. Long shot, Coco? ???????? Who the Hell knows! 3. Evan will play two characters I believe.  (I admit to getting very excited about the Myrtle idea.  I mean, it would be such a cool scene. I loved seeing Cordelia bring her back.)

Kent:  1. While episode 9 seems reasonable, I say that it starts episode 8.  I’d rather them not rush it.  I expect a major death in episode 8.  Probably more than one.  2. It’s either Coco or Mallory, and obviously, I am picking Coco because that would be the least popular choice.  Long shot guess, Fiona and Axe Man. Come on, you know damn well that would be amazing. 3. We’ve seen him as Mr. Gallant, James March, and Tate Langdon already.  Next week’s preview showed Evan again, but it could be as a younger Gallant or a new character. I will say 4 because, with 3 episodes to go, you could see him perform as one more character.  Then I remember that 4 is not your friend. Fudge it, I will go with 5.

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